Would you all like to know who were the catalysts for this ridiculous and completely unnecessary vendetta between the two forums?\n\nIt can be summed up in two words: "Team Zigzag"\n\n\nAfter repeated warnings for flouting rules and a multitude of chances, Jan and Ken were finally banned. Part of their warnings included loss of rep privileges after repeated rep abuse. Rather than accepting their lumps, they decided retribution was the best course of action towards the admins John and Shawn.\n\nThe alleged 'spam incident' they were involved with was a intentional form of retribution against the admins of SF and was designed not to simply promote this site, but mainly to satisfy their sense of retaliation. They knew full well that targeting a multitude of senior members via mass PM messages would not be seen as acceptable (as undoubtedly it would not be tolerated here) yet they continued regardless.\n \nThe end result of a fallout between the two forums has been a direct result of their own personal agenda. \n\nCongratulations to the both of you. You may now sit back and smile. You have not only painted John Fairbrother as an asinine vindictive twit, but you have also alienated and soured this sites founder and caused rifts of other senior members from a site where they were valued and respected. I'm sure they're more than happy in being your collateral damage. Kudos to you both. I hope it was worth it.\n\n(Of course you'll both deny it, I wouldn't expect anything less. )\n\n\nI don't speak on the behalf of John Fairbrother or Shawn Brink. I am not privy to their decisions or reasoning. But suffice to say as an observer, this is simply an attempt to put and end to any potential drawn out negative feelings between the two furums. What started as a personal vendetta of two former and vindictive members of SF has turned into a quagmire of misunderstanding on many levels involving many.\nSo z3r010's post last night was .... a lie?\n\n Ok I'll put this right out in the open because i'm really getting tired with all this shit.....I have no issue with sysnative other that jan and Ken, if anybody doesn't like the way we run this site then please let me know and you can join jan and ken on the ex-members list.\n\nI never requested to be banned, have my account closed, see my screen name as jcgriff2, have my BSOD stickies with 100,000s hits torn down, so what possible rationale is there for z3r010's petty, childish, absurd and asinine banning actions?