I have been trying to download the ones in the "solution" that you sent. What I just did is to download each of them to another computer and copy the downloads to a flash drive, I the tried to install( from the flash drive) each kb on to the Vista machine. The only ones applicable were 3168 and 3177. They installed successfully and the machine was restarted, I am now checking for updates, I started at 2:16. I have not tried to rerun SURT. I will let you know how windows update goes; I have to go run a few errands. Hopefully it will have found something by the time I return.