ATTN: GAMERS! and all others, Want to Build a NEW Game PC Tower setup.

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tension

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I am not a gamer guy, and most games I play today, are remote internet or private game setups with buds as a group.
This will be for brother in laws, brother, son. Loved to build VERY stable Extreme OC PC's Liquid cooled and dead silent. OC is not the plan,
but if, TBD will look at options, but this thing most be DEAD SILENT! And fastest in budget stock.

Want to triple boot windows 7,8.1,10, as older games will be involved here. Possible quad booter? TBD.
Want to run older games to the newest games here. Is this scenario setup idea. But I'm not very current on todays games, or install needs.
Plus if some games installed, mess with games or older games installed etc. Let's see were we get here.

What my needs are.

Budget to start $600-800 bucks. As the plan is to use this for say 8 years or more as a base platform. Or longer?

Parts that will be provided or have. All OS's ,Tower and cooling systems Dry or Wet fully internal, PSU 750's -1200w Coolmasters, 1 or 2-SSD Vertex III's 600mb trafter rate drives.
Monitor for now DVI, HDMI 1900x1200 max I think. Speakers system is a 5.1 Logitech Z506 75w. Dual monitors possible at some point, with higher specs. This will be juniors project.


The focus parts are as followed:

MotherBD
16 GB Memory to start. Don't know how much is needed for todays game setup.
Video card or cards. TBD but one for now due to starter budget.
Soundcard.
Review control stick hand set needs.

Am I missing somthing here, say game port adapter?

Thanks.
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Loved to build VERY stable Extreme OC PC's Liquid cooled and dead silent.
...this thing most be DEAD SILENT!
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For $800 and an 8 year life span? What a wonderful dream! Even with all the parts you bring to the table.

Parts that will be provided or have. All OS's
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Oh? Legally? The vast majority of existing Windows licenses are OEM - that is, they came with, or were purchased for use with a previous computer. The vast majority of Windows licenses are not the considerably more expensive full "Retail" licenses. OEM licenses are inextricably tied to the computers they came with or were purchased for and are NOT, under ANY circumstances, legally transferable to a new computer (or upgraded motherboard). So a big chunk of your budget will be eaten up by Windows licenses.

RAM and motherboards that support "VERY stable" "extreme" overclocking are not budget models!

You emphasize DEAD SILENT. That is not going to happen! And in particular, not with extreme overclocking. You can water cool the CPU, but the RAM, chipset, drives and other internal devices need cooling too so you will need sufficient case fans to create a nice flow of cool air through the case to provide sufficient cooling to them. And most PSUs have fans, as do most graphics cards too. Even the radiators for most water cooling systems have fans.

There are "DEAD SILENT" PCs. These are typically HTPCs (home theater PCs) that use "passively cooled" (no fans) PSUs, CPU coolers and graphics cards and special cases designed to take full advantage if heat's natural characteristic of rising. And I note many audiophiles who build HTPCs that use fans to cool the CPUs underclock the CPU to keep it cool enough so the fan will stay off or at most, spin very slowly to avoid any fan noise.

No mention of keyboard or mouse. Most controllers use USB so you likely will not need a game port. And virtually every motherboard comes with decent sound and the better boards (the ones that support "extreme" overclocking) come with excellent integrated sound. So you don't need a sound card now either.

As far as your 8+ year life expectancy requirement, that typically is not a problem with hardware - if not abused! That is, if fed good, clean stable power, if not pushed with extreme overclocking, and if kept cool (see the last line in my sig). The problem with your 8+ year demand is the rest of the world will not sit still during that time. Most electronics becomes obsolete and is "retired" because it does not meet or support the latest games, operating systems and other programs, latest I/O protocols, latest state-of-the-art and other current demands - not because it failed.
 
From a software point of view, why so many operating systems? You'd be hard pushed to find legacy apps which don't work on Windows 10 but do work on Windows 7. For the most part legacy apps do work on the latest OS, but for the very few which don't you'll almost certainly need to go back further than Windows 7.
 
niemiro said:
From a software point of view, why so many operating systems? You'd be hard pushed to find legacy apps which don't work on Windows 10 but do work on Windows 7. For the most part legacy apps do work on the latest OS, but for the very few which don't you'll almost certainly need to go back further than Windows 7.
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Yes, there are some older games that won't run on W7. But will run on XP. I can load the XP Mode in W7, so to have both W7 and Xp run at same time.
But the controller won't function right this way in some games, as this is being done now for some games, that will work this way.
Have Apps the won't function fully in W7. But do in XP some Vista /W7, but no way in W8. Don't want to upgrade this older apps, as they are older sport /baseball card programs that can't be upgraded as Company is gone. But that app works great in xp and vista and can get some to work in W7.
Same for W8. We are still discussing the Boot scenarios.
Yes! W10 is an unknown in all this as to older games running. Juniors job is to review each game, an OS possibility. etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc..etc.. this is in the WIP for now. WIP: Work In Progress.

Plus Junior wants to learn W8 and 10, and teach his mother PC, down the road. So in the end, may even set it up so to shut down pc swap out a drive tray, reboot to other OS per game sets maybe.
But I like to see if I can get a functional quad boot. W10 being the last. BTW.
 
Digerati said:
Loved to build VERY stable Extreme OC PC's Liquid cooled and dead silent.
...this thing most be DEAD SILENT!
Click to expand...
For $800 and an 8 year life span? What a wonderful dream! Even with all the parts you bring to the table.

Parts that will be provided or have. All OS's
Click to expand...
Oh? Legally? The vast majority of existing Windows licenses are OEM - that is, they came with, or were purchased for use with a previous computer. The vast majority of Windows licenses are not the considerably more expensive full "Retail" licenses. OEM licenses are inextricably tied to the computers they came with or were purchased for and are NOT, under ANY circumstances, legally transferable to a new computer (or upgraded motherboard). So a big chunk of your budget will be eaten up by Windows licenses.

RAM and motherboards that support "VERY stable" "extreme" overclocking are not budget models!

You emphasize DEAD SILENT. That is not going to happen! And in particular, not with extreme overclocking. You can water cool the CPU, but the RAM, chipset, drives and other internal devices need cooling too so you will need sufficient case fans to create a nice flow of cool air through the case to provide sufficient cooling to them. And most PSUs have fans, as do most graphics cards too. Even the radiators for most water cooling systems have fans.

There are "DEAD SILENT" PCs. These are typically HTPCs (home theater PCs) that use "passively cooled" (no fans) PSUs, CPU coolers and graphics cards and special cases designed to take full advantage if heat's natural characteristic of rising. And I note many audiophiles who build HTPCs that use fans to cool the CPUs underclock the CPU to keep it cool enough so the fan will stay off or at most, spin very slowly to avoid any fan noise.

No mention of keyboard or mouse. Most controllers use USB so you likely will not need a game port. And virtually every motherboard comes with decent sound and the better boards (the ones that support "extreme" overclocking) come with excellent integrated sound. So you don't need a sound card now either.

As far as your 8+ year life expectancy requirement, that typically is not a problem with hardware - if not abused! That is, if fed good, clean stable power, if not pushed with extreme overclocking, and if kept cool (see the last line in my sig). The problem with your 8+ year demand is the rest of the world will not sit still during that time. Most electronics becomes obsolete and is "retired" because it does not meet or support the latest games, operating systems and other programs, latest I/O protocols, latest state-of-the-art and other current demands - not because it failed.
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Software:
We have all full retail un-open, not installed XP, Vista and W7. W8 and 10 will cost at some point. This is not an issue as to final costs. As there will be over time a load of apps cost as well, where everything leads too, who knows at time.
But the kids in school and can get the student discounts, when we get to that point. This thing (new tower) will cost some 3000 grand plus, in the end, but have 800 to start. And some more over 8 years.

MotherBd: I'm looking for the best I can find, that can be upgraded over years. Start with a 2 or 4 core cpu something, as few games use 6 and 8 cores. But want the MB to be upgradable here. The base MB/CPU will hit $350-400. But the final cost will be juniors shopping for it , once we select are possible combo’s. As for all other items will see below.


Ram: Yes, OC ram are not cheap. But can use a lower speed, planning to swap when ram (and cpu’s) come down in price. TBD. Overclocking is an option, but not the goal. Most only get about 15-20% extra speed, but the heat shortens there life, and the MB, if playing extreme gaming stuff for say hours. But the SSD drive(s) (Donated 240gb) will improve these issues on low cost starter ram for now. BTW ( I get to upgrade many high end CAD/Graphic work stations for parts. So in the end higher speed ram (ddr3 3200) will cost way less over time, or in a year. As many upgrades need matching ddr’s sets, to be stable. We could put in a matched set of 2/4gb’s cheap for now. So mem could cost 75-100 bucks.

Videocard: got maybe 200-300 bucks to find a single card for now, and SLI it later with a second card. That's the 800 budget build plan.


Specing these at this time.

ASUS MAXIMUS VI HERO LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i5-4460 Haswell Quad-Core 3.2GHz LGA 1150 Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4600 BX80646I54460

GIGABYTE GV-N680D5-2GD-B GeForce GTX 680 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card (possible in budget)
PNY VCGGTX780T3XPB-OC G-SYNC Support GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB 384-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 SLI Support Video Card ( not possible but nice)


G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-17000CL9Q-8GBZH ( need to review manuf list as to timing)

Hmm?



 
 
Except for mass storage of backups, tunes and videos, I see no reason for hard drives anymore. SSDs provide significant overall performance improvement, consume less power, generate less heat, make no noise, and with no moving parts, have a longer life expectancy. All my builds have a SSD for the OS and applications and I will never go back to HDs as the primary drive.
 
Digerati said:
Except for mass storage of backups, tunes and videos, I see no reason for hard drives anymore. SSDs provide significant overall performance improvement, consume less power, generate less heat, make no noise, and with no moving parts, have a longer life expectancy. All my builds have a SSD for the OS and applications and I will never go back to HDs as the primary drive.
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Okay, been swamp..

If we, are reviewing the drives, as in a workstations use, You need to factor in the employee cost per service life on drives investment.
ANY (well almost) 1TB SSD justifies it's cost up front, on lease per month, so the employee is not waiting to get data transfers from drive in local workstation.

As for servers, and LAN types attached. SSD returns 10 fold over service life. As for NAS (not so much, but can cost the CO. more as a swinger EZ too) but Server costs per month. Yes, a few raided hard drives can come to about 70% equal in transfer rates per cycle. But lose over time still.
After say 5 years, the system cost per service cycle and gb's transferred, these hard (aka: slow swingers) drives, cost you more for that 5 years of service, and 2 if not the 3 times more over ten years of service. As SSD's return more for there higher costs still.

So swingers are bad all around, but yes, as a cheap back array's and data archive source for access to online old data, they are cost effective. As what else can you use them for? :huh:

ref.
HGST 4TB Deskstar NAS HDD Review | StorageReview.com - Storage Reviews
 
And nothing in your above post has anything to do with building gaming rigs.

And sorry, but for the record, they are not swingers! I have never heard anyone, except you, refer to any hard drive that way, and I have never seen ANY reference refer to hard drives with that term. And for sure, Google, Bing and DuckDuckGo would agree with me.

So if you want folks to first, take you seriously, and second, to understand what you are talking about, use proper and accepted terminology. That is, use "hard drives" or "disk drives" or "conventional drives" (when other technologies are in the same discussion), or "HD" or "HDD". Making up new terms to use to sound funny or whatever your reason is, ESPECIALLY in technical discussions and on technical sites just creates unnecessary confusion and misunderstandings.
 

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