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    Catalyst Control Center and AMD Vision issues

    Background;
    Friend called me and asked me to take a look at his PC. He started having ATI Driver failure issues and random BSODs. He told me he tried doing a clean install and was unable to do so. I told him to bring me the PC so I could check it out. I found that the PC had been infected across all three drives and the result was a completely unresponsive PC that no cleaning or repairs could correct. I decided to clean the PC and CLEAN the PC. It was FULL of dust and full of viruses. So I tore it down and physically cleaned all of the components and reassembled it. I took each drive and secure wiped them using UBCD. After doing so, I installed Win7 x64 OEM Home Premium. I installed CCC and AMD Vision after that. Then installed MSE and MBAM and ran full scans to be sure that the wipes were successful. They, of course, were. There were no traces of Malware or Viruses. After doing that, I installed Macrium, imaged and also imaged and backed up with MS B+R. At this point CCC and AMD Vision worked perfectly. This was a pre SP1 install, so there were about 200 updates that occurred, including SP1 that day. I ran through the updates, only attending to the PC every hour or so to reboot and let the updates continue. After SP1 had installed, I then started checking everything on the PC, running Furmark and P95 etc, checking stability and temps. All was well. I then noticed that the CCC icon was not showing on the taskbar. I had previously not even looked for it and do not know when it disappeared. So, I right clicked on the desktop and selected AMD Vision, it did not respond. I went to the program menu and selected the CCC folder and tried running the various levels of CCC. When trying to do so I got a message stating that CLI.Implementation had failed. (????) Then tried the AMD Vision from the prgram menu and got MOM.Implementation had failed. (????)

    What I have done;
    Installed Microsoft .Net Framework 4 and ran full updates.
    Installed Driver Sweeper and cleaned the AMD files.
    Re-installed AMD files(CCC and AMD Vision.
    Tried to run again, same results.
    Did four more AMD un-installs and re-installs.
    Same Result.
    Thought .Net Framework might have been corrupt, so I uninstalled it and reinstalled it and ran all updates again. Before uninstalling it, I also swept the AMD files again.
    After installing .Net Framework again, I reinstalled all the AMD stuff. Same results. Either the programs do not respond, or I get the CLI.Implementation failures or MOM.Implementation failures.
    Check disk passes on all drives.
    Stress tests pass on all hardware.
    Memtest86 passed for 12 hours clean.
    All other programs and games work flawlessly.

    I did come across something I have not tried yet, only because I don't understand it.
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/e74a18c4.aspx Which was linked from http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles...mentation.aspx

    I don't currently have the PC as he was not at all concerned with this issue. All he was concerned with was that the PC was working(working in his eyes) and that his games worked. I, however, wanted to see if anyone could explain this to me so that I could, hopefully, resolve the issue.

    Thanks,

    James


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    Re: Catalyst Control Center and AMD Vision issues

    I will first start by stating, I am not software expert or analysis

    CCC has always given me fits... It is known to be buggy and just one update to another can cause all sorts of headaches...

    If it is still installed try removing it with revo then following the post by usasma here:

    http://www.sysnative.com/forums/show...tion-procedure
    This is what I had to do when I used to run XP, I no longer have problems crashing on W7 but some versions of CCC are more stable then others.
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    Re: Catalyst Control Center and AMD Vision issues

    Thanks Laxer for the fast response.

    First, the drivers work flawlessly, sound and video both are fine. However, I cannot tweak any of the settings. Only able to change the basic Windows settings, like Minor resolution adjustments and sound adjustments through the Windows settings.

    Event Viewer shows no errors either. SFC /Scannow came back clean as well.

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    Re: Catalyst Control Center and AMD Vision issues

    Try installing .net 3.5 and update from there, .net 4 is suppose to have all the components but often does not.

    Another thing to note the latest version of CCC has broken a lot of Xfire setups so you may also want to try an older version of the ATI driver and CCC.
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    Re: Catalyst Control Center and AMD Vision issues

    CCC can be probmatic on various windows Os'es over the years vista and 7 stick out.

    I just remove it and leave the drivers installed if your friend is looking for more than minor adjustments then i would not use ccc if it is not stable it is not worth the hassle to be honest IMO.

    There is a removal tool but it will uninstall the drivers as well can be ran then install drivers and mandatory catalyst manager which is ok.

    Link to removal tool: http://www.crystalidea.com/download/utool2.exe
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    Re: Catalyst Control Center and AMD Vision issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Wrench97 View Post
    Try installing .net 3.5 and update from there, .net 4 is suppose to have all the components but often does not.

    Another thing to note the latest version of CCC has broken a lot of Xfire setups so you may also want to try an older version of the ATI driver and CCC.
    Thanks Bruce. I had wondered if installing a previous version would help. I will definitely try that.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCyberMan View Post
    CCC can be probmatic on various windows Os'es over the years vista and 7 stick out.

    I just remove it and leave the drivers installed if your friend is looking for more than minor adjustments then i would not use ccc if it is not stable it is not worth the hassle to be honest IMO.

    There is a removal tool but it will uninstall the drivers as well can be ran then install drivers and mandatory catalyst manager which is ok.

    Link to removal tool: http://www.crystalidea.com/download/utool2.exe
    Thank you Paul. I may well do that if the install of .Net 3.5 doesn't resolve the issues.

    I agree with the general idea from both of you that CCC/ATI in general is problematic. I only have one ATI GPU and it has never given me issues. But I have had the joy of troubleshooting many of builds with issues directly related to ATI and their drivers. Gonna have to be a fanboy and just say, NVidia provides much more stable drivers and suites.
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    Re: Catalyst Control Center and AMD Vision issues

    I have a HD5770 in my sons desktop and a GTX550ti in mine(though I hardly ever use it) His of course is overclocked on CPU, GPU and Ram mine stock speeds haven't had any issues with either, but of course I'm always late to party as far as driver updates...............

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    Re: Catalyst Control Center and AMD Vision issues

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCyberMan View Post
    CCC can be probmatic on various windows Os'es over the years vista and 7 stick out.

    I just remove it and leave the drivers installed if your friend is looking for more than minor adjustments then i would not use ccc if it is not stable it is not worth the hassle to be honest IMO.

    There is a removal tool but it will uninstall the drivers as well can be ran then install drivers and mandatory catalyst manager which is ok.

    Link to removal tool: http://www.crystalidea.com/download/utool2.exe
    John(USASMA) has a good process for installing the driver only> http://www.sysnative.com/forums/show...tion-procedure
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    Re: Catalyst Control Center and AMD Vision issues

    Thanks Bruce have seen that resolution somewhere and is good to know.

    I have a radeon X1250 and driver support ended with vista x64 so i run under compatibility as no W7 x64 driver available and it works fine without ccc and i am not a gamer so overclock is not needed.

    I got PS3 for gaming but don't even use it for that, use it for media streaming and blu-ray.

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    Re: Catalyst Control Center and AMD Vision issues

    Just FYI - a while back we were getting BSOD's from CCC. AMD seems to have "fixed" that little bugger - but it also heralded a number of other problems. We're still cleaning up systems that have AMD Overdrive installed (and are suffering from BSODs). Lot's of issues noted around the web with other AMD add-ons.

    I suggest sticking with the DRIVERS ONLY installation and using other tools to accomplish anything that the AMD tools do. I'd wait until the AMD "packages" have stabilized/matured before attempting to use them again.

    BTW - most of the work on DRIVERS ONLY was done by Satrow - I just put it into a format and pinned the post.

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    Re: Catalyst Control Center and AMD Vision issues

    Thank you sir. That's what I've resolved to doing at this point. Installs of .Net 3.0 + 3.5 didn't help. His only complaint is that he can't adjust the over-scan. I said, "Wah, you should have taken my advice and bought Nvidia." He's going to live with it.

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    Re: Catalyst Control Center and AMD Vision issues

    My kids said a similar thing when I told them to uninstall CCC
    I said "Then live with what you've got".
    They uninstalled it. :0)

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