How do you folks like Windows 8?

Patrick

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Hi friends,

I've been given access to a Dreamspark full of goodies, one of which is Windows 8. To those who are full-time using Windows 8 on their home systems, how do you like it? I'm due for my yearly clean Windows install sort of soon, so I am thinking about whether or not I want to go Windows 8 or stay Windows 7. I don't do heavy gaming whatsoever anymore, so regardless of having a nice beefy system, I will just be using it for your traditional browsing, debugging, and maybe the occasional video game here & there.

Looking forward to some opinions : )
 
My first question for you is, do you have a touchscreen monitor? If not, I suggest avoiding it.

Honestly, Windows 7 is my primary OS at home, followed closely by a custom-GUI on Linux (core). From work, Windows XP is primary, though Windows 7 is rapidly taking over. School, Windows 7 with the XP thrown in from time-to-time. That isn't to say I don't use Windows 8. Quite the opposite. I make it a point to have as many operating systems/browser configurations as I possibly can (all the better for troubleshooting compatibility issues with websites).

As such, my second question for you is, do you like the use of your start menu? If so, there's another check on the list of reasons to avoid Windows 8. Instead of the "classic" start menu, which you don't even have the option of with Windows 8 (core), you get the "Start Screen", which is just the Windows Mobile menu (the actual OS interface) slapped over the entire screen. There are third-party applications, like StarDock's Start8, that restore the start menu to almost the same as that from Windows 7. Another key thing to remember about the standard "Start Screen" is that most applications are installed with two versions, the mobile version that runs from the "Start Screen", which is the default application launching location, and the desktop version which runs from the Desktop-side of the operating system. These programs are not interchangeable (unless this has changed, I mostly only use taskmgr and browsers ^^'), meaning that if you launch Microsoft Word in the "Start Screen"-side and want to move your active document to the Desktop-side, you need to save it, close the application, then reopen it from the Desktop.

What I will say in favor of Windows 8 is that the administrative tools are vastly overpowered. The taskmgr from 8, I ported to my Windows 7 machine because of how powerful it is! There are also been numerous improvements to how data is processed by the operating system, which, in my opinion, has been majorly underplayed. Between my Windows 7 and my Windows 8 OS, which share all the same applications and profile data, the Windows 8 runs a great deal faster. Launching Microsoft Word 2013 on Windows 7 takes about 30 seconds, on the Windows 8 its less than 10. If that isn't improvement, I don't know what is.

Now, back to the badmouthing...I have also noticed that Windows 8 may be better at managing CPU and RAM, when it comes to the GPU and GRAM, it's in an entirely different league, and I don't mean in a good way. With Windows 7, and even Windows Vista, I can play Dragon Age II, World of Warcraft, Mass Effect III, and Assassin's Creed III with maxed settings, all of them. I built my computer with all next-generation tech, but I was still in awe when I first realized how powerful my computer actually was. Then came Windows 8. I decided to give it a fair try and used it as my primary OS for a little less than two weeks. My goal had been a month, but the minor points I mentioned in its favor were not enough. Pulling up old-school StarCraft, not even Brood War, I couldn't even play on the default/standard 800x600! Yeah, sure, not really compatible, right? Well, what about Mass Effect (original)? It can play on Windows 8 by default, no compatibility issues, supposedly, but I still had to knock the quality down to get a resolution stable at 1280x960. Horrid!

All and all, since you're not real heavy into gaming, I suppose it's an okay OS, if you can put up with the "little things" on an endless basis. Eventually, I'll go through the hassle of butchering the OS, removing that blasted "Start Screen", reembedding the Start Menu, and disabling the Microsoft Live interface, but that's a huge project that I might never actually do. I had a decade to tweak XP the way I wanted, and thankfully Vista wasn't nearly as difficult to tear apart and rebuild.
 
I miss the START orb + Aero.

Otherwise, it has the feel of Vista and Windows 7 - but much faster than either one.
 
Much faster, John - could it be that most of that perceived difference is down to (the lack of) Aero?
 
Very interesting, thank you guys for your opinions so far!!

I watched Windows 8 used a lot in the recent TechEd videos and really liked what I saw. Are there any modifications you can make or fixes to bring back the Start menu?
 
I think realistically, when you're just browsing the internet and not using any very intensive applications (a game for example at a high res) disabling Aero will give very negligible performance increase. However, it will help a fair bit and reduce overall GPU load disabling it when going to play graphically intensive video games, or maybe even rendering videos, etc.
 
My take is that non-Aero/UxSms gives a more 'immediate' feel to any Desktop, Explorer and program interactions, on both W7 and Vista. I'd doubt if the measurements would be impressive though!
 
You are very right about that 'immediate feel'

I actually really like using Windows Classic a lot as a theme for Windows.
 
I feel Windows 8 is a operating system with features designed entirely for tablets and other touch-enabled devices. A SSD with Windows 7 will give you the same boot times as Windows 8.

If Windows 8 had the Start Menu and was able to boot directly to the desktop, then I would have brought it.
 
Hey Patrick,

I am in exactly the same boat as you! I also have Windows 8 available through Dreamspark and am debating whether to reinstall with it. I will say one thing though, but I'm not sure if it will apply to you...

I downloaded my Windows 8 ISO and Lisence Key from Dreamspark the other day because I was planning to set up a VM. However, they have given me a Windows 8 Pro license key (as expected) but a Windows 8 standard ISO... The two are not compatible. So I currently have a licence key but no media to use... Yeah.. Apparently the head of IT at my school has a Windows 8 Pro ISO he can give me, I'll have to ask him. Just something to bear in mind Patrick, you may have the same issue.

Are any of you using a Start Menu replacement? If yes, which one? If not, how are you finding it? Two popular ones are: Windows 8 start menu returns with Start8 from Stardock! and StartIsBack - real start menu in Windows 8

I am also tempted to put one of these in my laptop --> Seagate 1TB Laptop SSHD SATA 6Gb/s NCQ | Ebuyer.com <-- because it's cheaper than an SSD and I only have one HDD caddy and I don't really want to take out the ODD because I do you it fairly often and an external one would be a faff for me. It also gives me a good excuse to reinstall Windows in the process :)

I do like the look of Windows 8.1. Do I wait until it released then clean install, install the preview, or just go with 8 now and then update late? Dilemma!. I would like to do it over the summer holidays if I can, because I've actually got some time for once!!

I am also looking for opinions, so if anyone else has any, please fire away!

-Stephen
 
Thanks for the heads up, I will look into that and see what .ISO is available for me in comparison to the product key.

I think I am going to do what you discussed, which is wait for the release of the Service Pack and then install it. It brings back the start bar from what I've read and a few fixes for Desktop users.
 
Could you let me know if you get the right ISO and Licence Key combo please? Just out of interest :-)

Yes, 8.1 does have quite a few changes. Whilst the start menu isn't back, there is now a button in the corner to take you to the start screen. You can now boot to desktop and display all apps on the start screen rather than the current layout.

Windows 8.1: release date, new features, screenshots | News | PC Pro
 
From what I've read if you install the preview even as a upgrade you'll need to reinstall after the official release, I upgraded a Win8 install on a "extra" hard drive on a desktop I use mainly for play but not on my main system which dual boots Win 7 and 8. On the dual boot(laptop) I use Win7 90% of the time.
 
How would I check via Dreamspark about the product key, would I have to add it to my cart and then download it?

The actual OS itself for me according to Dreamspark is
Microsoft Windows 8 Professional 32/64-bit (English) - DreamSpark - Download

Also, I wouldn't feel too bad about Dreamspark not providing proper downloads. I noticed Office was available, however apparently only the Service Pack 1 for Office is available, and not Office itself? Hehe, kind of pointless if you ask me...
 
Yup. If you add Windows 8 to your basket and then checkout, it will give you your licence key and the downloads for the iso files.

You can view the key for up to two years thanks to the extended access guarantee. However, I've copied mine to an excel sheet for reference and security.

The way I know I was given the wrong file was when I installers the iso into a VM and went to activate it when it told me the key was for Pro only.

The available items from dreamspark do vary, so check back often. Office is the only thing they don't give copies of. They do for the less popular ones such as Vision, but the full suite of word, PowerPoint etc is not available.

I've so far got Windows XP, Vista, 7, and 8 licences and iso's (bar 8 obviously) and Visio 2010 from Dreamspark. I'm planning to install Visual Studio Ultimate just because I can. I currently use Express but why not use Ultimate if it's there? ;-)

Stephen
 
All the ISO's I have seen from technet and msdn contain all versions, the key determines which is installed.

Yep, my professor told me this is the case as well. I forgot until you just mentioned it. In fact, I also believe the upgrade discs MS sells are in fact the entire OS, however the product key is only activated for upgrading purposes, of course.
 
All the ISO's I have seen from technet and msdn contain all versions, the key determines which is installed.

Yep, my professor told me this is the case as well. I forgot until you just mentioned it. In fact, I also believe the upgrade discs MS sells are in fact the entire OS, however the product key is only activated for upgrading purposes, of course.

You're both correct. This was actually introduced with Windows 7. The OS discs released at the time of release were all capable of installing any version of the OS, and only the product key determined the features permitted to be installed. From a laziness perspective, I can understand why Microsoft would do this, but from a security side...too easy to unlock Ultimate with just the Home Basic disc. :P

@Tekno Venus: List of Start Menu replacements for Windows 8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hopefully Wikipedia will be able to point you in the right direction for picking out a Start Menu. I hear they're a dime-a-dozen, but I wouldn't know. I try not to shop around. ;)
 

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