[SOLVED] Going to build a PC

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Hi all,
I recently had a tower crash and now looking for parts to build a new one.
I have come up with this list and would like any help or suggestions about my choices.
The only thing i would like is a AMD processor instead of the Intel listed but dont know what AMD processor would be best.
Here is what i have as of this minute: ( I do want a FAST QUICK system)

Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor
MSI B150M PRO-VDH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Mushkin Essentials 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory with expansion capableablity to 16 GiG.
PNY CS1311 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Sapphire Radeon RX 470 4GB Video Card
Deepcool TESSERACT BF ATX Mid Tower Case
Rosewill Capstone 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply

Also this will be a Linux system.
Thanks,
Ghost
 
Hi Ghost. :)

If you want an AMD processor, you need to change the motherboard completely.
I didn't find microATX motherboards for AMD with M.2 connectors: what's the priority? M.2 or microATX?
 
You have to decide on which AMD you want, then find a board to support it. Understand a new motherboard is essentially a new computer. That often means new RAM too. Certainly if you want to use your existing RAM, you will have to ensure any new motherboard supports it. Note too because a new motherboard equates to a new computer, that typically requires a new operating system license too.

If me, I would look at a nice Intel i5 that will run with that motherboard. According to the QVL, you have many you can choose from.
 
Hi Ghost,

Here are some good resources for you to look at when choosing parts. PCPartPicker allows you to easily find parts that are compatible for the best prices and offers some build recommendations. Logical Increments, whilst mainly focused on gaming, offers good part selection ideas for different budgets. Also, if you're looking at Intel chips, their ARK pages give you a lot of information about every product they sell.

Stephen
 
What do you think about these?

MSI 970A GAMING PRO CARBON (ATX, m.2, ddr3, am3+, about $105)
AMD FX 8370 Wraith Cooler 8 core CPU (about $185)
Kingston HyperX FURY 16GB Kit (2x8GB) 1866MHz DDR3 CL10 DIMM - White (HX318C10FWK2/16) (about $92 for 16gb, about 184 for 32gb)
I think they tested one of those 8GB sticks (seeing their compatibility list), not sure if they tested all slots (32gb).

You can find a list of PSU on MSI website for this motherboard ---> Support For 970A GAMING PRO CARBON | MSI Global | Motherboard - The world leader in motherboard design
It seems they didn't test an RX 470, but there's a RX 480 ---> (see previous link)
 
Hi all,
Digerati
You have to decide on which AMD you want, then find a board to support it.
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I understand now. i wish Mitch would have explained things to me instead of saying here it is build it.
That often means new RAM too.
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Yes DDR 4 for sure.
Note too because a new motherboard equates to a new computer, that typically requires a new operating system license too.
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No worry because Linux will be installed on a SSD;-).
[QUOTEIf me, I would look at a nice Intel i5 that will run with that motherboard.][/QUOTE]
im a AMD guy. It seems to be smoother to me although it does run warmer than an Intel.

Tekno Venus
PcPartPicker is where i found what i thought would work but as a newbie to this i was wrong unless i want to use a Intel processor.
Logical Increments is really great. Thanks.

xilolee
Im not a gamer but want a system that is fast and quick........just me.

Thanks to all who have given me all this info and now ive got to do some research so i know what im talking about. Ill be back with a better understanding.
Later,
Ghosthttps://www.sysnative.com/forums/members/384-digerati/
 
im a AMD guy. It seems to be smoother to me although it does run warmer than an Intel.
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Not sure what you mean by "smoother". When it comes to digital electronics, if not stable, the system crashes and both AMD and Intel make stable, reliable CPUs.

The only problem with you going AMD is AMD processors run only on AMD based motherboards, just as Intel processors run only on Intel based motherboards. So if intended to go AMD, you must buy a new motherboard. This will greatly increase the costs of this upgrade.

So, what is your budget? And are you plan to use the drives and RAM from your old computer?
 
Digerati,
Not sure what you mean by "smoother". When it comes to digital electronics, if not stable, the system crashes and both AMD and Intel make stable, reliable CPUs.
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AMD seems smoother to me. I cant explain it but it seems that way and yes ive used both for sometime.

The only problem with you going AMD is AMD processors run only on AMD based motherboards, just as Intel processors run only on Intel based motherboards. So if intended to go AMD, you must buy a new motherboard. This will greatly increase the costs of this upgrade
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I knew this from the biginning:
[QUOTEI recently had a tower crash and now looking for parts to build a new one.][/QUOTE]
and
MSI B150M PRO-VDH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
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Ghost
 
To xilolee,
The spec's look good to me and will keep them in mind but im looing around for now.
Thanks,
Ghost
 
AMD seems smoother to me. I cant explain it but it seems that way and yes ive used both for sometime.
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Well, it was not likely the processor. Since you cannot remove an AMD processor from a computer/motherboard and plop an Intel processor in its place, there were many other components that were different too - most notably the motherboard which means a different chipset, different buses, different networking, different drive controller and possibly totally different graphics too.

I am not trying to talk you out of AMD. They make great, reliable processors. I just want to ensure you know what you are getting into if you want go from Intel to AMD.

What will you be bringing to this new build? Are you using the same case? What about the PSU? And I ask again, what about your RAM and drives?
 
Ghost said:
The spec's look good to me and will keep them in mind but im looing around for now.
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If this can help you, I searched through other websites of MB manufacturers.

  • ASUS:
    • 970 PRO GAMING/AURA (about $106)
  • ASROCK:
    • 970A-G/3.1 (about $79)
    • 990FX Extreme6 (about $142)
    • Fatal1ty 990FX Killer (about $155)
    • Fatal1ty 970 Performance/3.1 refurbished (about $327)
  • GIGABYTE:
    • GA-990FX-Gaming (about $146)
    • GA-970-Gaming SLI (about $95)
    • Note - these two motherboards exist in three versions: rev1.0, SLI rev1.0, rev1.1
      There are very few differences, usually the network card.
      Probably the rev1.1 is more recent (and probably better, but who knows).
  • BIOSTAR:
    • TA970 Plus Ver. 5.x (about $152)
      It has got an mSATA connector (predecessor of m.2).
 
Digerati,
Well, it was not likely the processor. Since you cannot remove an AMD processor from a computer/motherboard and plop an Intel processor in its place
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No kidding.

I am not trying to talk you out of AMD. They make great, reliable processors. I just want to ensure you know what you are getting into if you want go from Intel to AMD.
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I want a complete new system. Can i make it any clearer....look at my first post and you will see in black/white...a complete system including tower. Im using AMD in this computer and the business computer.

[QUOTEWhat will you be bringing to this new build? Are you using the same case? What about the PSU? And I ask again, what about your RAM and drives?][/QUOTE]
Again refer back to my first post about casae, PSU, RAM and SSD.

xiloee,
Thanks for your help and its much appreciated.
All four look good to me but i still am checking around at this time.
Thanks,
Ghost
 
Hi xiloee,
I have checked out all 4.
I would like DDR4 but really is there a noticeable difference in performance if both DDR3 and DDR4 are lets say 4 gig each?
One thing i noticed is that the USB ports are 3.0. isnt there a 3.2 out now?
Thanks,
Ghost
 
:( I am sorry you are frustrated with me. Please understand I am not trying to give you a hard time.

I know you think you have been clear from the start, but you really haven't - starting out with the Intel based motherboard you said you "have as of this minute" - which can be interpreted as you want to use that motherboard - especially after you said, "I have come up with this list" - a list that included the Intel based motherboard.

As you know now, because you said you want to go AMD, you have to start over, at least with a new motherboard. But you have been unclear there too because you said you want to build a "new one" suggesting a whole new computer but then say you want to use many of your old parts.

You must understand that many users who come to forums seeking help who state they are "going to build a PC" and state it will be a "new one", that really means a complete new build with all new components! Their plans are to give their old computer to their kids or little brother, selling it, use it as a backup or donating it away.

EVEN NOW, you say above, "I want a complete new system" but then in the same post say you will be using the "case, PSU, RAM and SSD"! That's not a complete new system.

Note your current PNY SSD is a SATA SSD but now you say you want to go with a M.2 SSD. Loot at this image. The top SSD is like your current PNY SSD. It mounts in a drive bay and connects via a SATA data cable and standard drive power cable. The bottom SSD is a M.2 SSD which plugs into a M.2 slot on the motherboard - no cables required. See the problem with you not being clear? You say you want to use your current PNY but that clearly will not work in a M.2 slot.

So which is it Ghost, "a complete new system" or just upgrading your old computer with a new motherboard and CPU?

You need to be clear what your wishes are so we can be on the same page and clear in what we suggest.

As for AMD vs Intel, I don't care which you use - in most cases, it is just a matter of personal preference like a favorite color. If you just want to go AMD this time, that's fine. But because you think AMD is smoother is not a valid reason.
 
Ok now i see the misunderstanding.
In my first post i listed what i had come up with for a new computer. By new i mean completely new...everything.
I cant find where i said i wanted to use any of my old parts except the SSD's i have.
What i have is two spare Kingston 120 Gb ssdnow 300's. If i cant use them on a new system i have an older tower with 5 hd's in it and ill replace the old sata drives with new install of older versions of Linux systems on the ssd's that i know will work with the older tower. Whew what a difference in ssd's!! Im sooo far behind its increditable!!
I would prefer using the old type PNY ssd's. I like being able to switch from one os to another (linux) using the cables and dont know if thats possible with the newest plug into the mobo type M2 ssd's? I would rather not switch anything around on a mobo but dont mind switching cables.
As far as thinking AMD is smoother, thats my opinion and i dont expect anyone to understand it.
Now ive confused everyone including myself so ill stop at this point and wait for help hahahahaha.
Ghost
 
In my first post i listed what i had come up with for a new computer.
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And that's where part of my confusion started because the MSI B150M PRO-VDH motherboard you listed is an Intel based board and will not support an AMD.

I would not have a problem swapping in and out traditional SATA drives because they connect via cables. If a cable connection goes bad, you just replace the cable. If the connector on the drive breaks, you replace the drive. But M.2 drives connect into motherboard slots. And slots can wear out but are not replaceable.

I cant find where i said i wanted to use any of my old parts except the SSD's i have.
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When I asked what will you be bringing to this new build, you replied in post #15 above with,
Again refer back to my first post about casae, PSU, RAM and SSD.
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I think xilolee has provided some excellent options.
 
I have decided on the GIGABYTE GA-990FX-Gaming mobo.
Now for the AMD processor. Any suggestions?
Ghost
 

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