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    [10ProV1703b15063 x64] Atrocious latency!! Is clean install of W10 the only solution?

    Greetings. I have been battling against "renders my system totally unusable" -type of latency/micro-freezes problems for a few weeks now. I have exhausted my googling skills and ideas, as I have done pretty much every trick in the book - with next to zero progress. I have rolled over, back and behind all the major drivers (GPU/Network/Chipset), installed and uninstalled various software (like Asrock's FXAST LAN), tried drivers from different manufactures for same components (like SB Recon3Di and Broadcom's Network adapter) and whatnot.

    The full format+reinstall of OS is pretty much the last trick on my sleeve, which I am willing to do but as a last resort only, as I have (literally) hundreds of gigs of VST instruments that takes days/weeks to install and get the system back to able to fully use/product -status. I also have quite a bunch of coding related IDEs etc. which are a pain in the buttocks to install and configure again if it comes to full reinstall.

    I will include the required logs and latest LatencyMonitor readings. They are (as you can see) pretty bad, but I am sorry to inform that they're not even worst I've seen. Currently browsers like Firefox/Edge are 100% unusable as it takes for the system anything from 1 to 5 seconds to "notice" a focus has changed from certain window/element to other and clicking links and buttons takes just as long to process. This all seems to be somewhat 90%+ network related, as (as long as network is completely shutdown) I can do normal stuff (coding IDEs, music production, gaming etc.) somewhat ok. The latencies for audio are not as good as they used to be but I am not getting constant crackle/pops and mini freezes as it happens if I try to do something heavy while network traffic is present. GPU seems not to run "properly" either, thou it seems that just like with Audio and Network, if you give full "attention" to certain task (like watching fullscreen video/gaming) it works somewhat ok. But multitasking is 100% impossible, especially if/when network traffic is going on.

    My computer is handmade Asrock Extreme X11 (x79) with I7 3930K, 16GB of G-Skill memory and few SSD disks and Intel's PCI-E SSD. I have taken out several parts like extra SSDs, Soundblasters X-Fi Titanium soundcard etc. to debug, but nothing seems to work. There hasn't been any significant system or software changes besides me trying some GPUs for friend to test if they were working (in Crossfire, mostly). After that I had to do several uninstalls and installs of GPU drivers (for my main Sapphire R9 290X) to get them running. Still it feels like the freezes are either Network, GPU or Audio hardware/driver caused or something else happening in the system that I cannot pinpoint. BIOS is up to date as well as is the Windows in general.

    In my event viewer I found no critical errors, but a new phenomenon seems to be this persistent "File System Filter 'CFRMD' (Version 6.1, ‎2012‎-‎07‎-‎17T08:05:37.000000000Z) failed to attach to volume '\Device\Harddisk0\DR0'. The filter returned a non-standard final status of 0xC01C0016. This filter and/or its supporting applications should handle this condition. If this condition persists, contact the vendor." -warning, which also does not go away. I've tried all the suggested google solutions with no avail. I am not sure when they appeared as I really pay attention to critical errors only (or if something is off), so it might be weeks since they started to appear.

    The logs

    Speccy: http://speccy.piriform.com/results/K...LBQnxtD5Likbzt
    DXDiag, MSInfo32 and trace.etc: LatencyLogs - Google Drive

    LatencyMonitor:

    [10ProV1703b15063 x64] Atrocious latency!! Is clean install of W10 the only solution?-latencymon-jpg


    Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.


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    Re: Atrocious latency problems, is full tabula rasa install of Win10 the only solutio

    Hi Widiar.


    To clean the interior of your machine and its components (short list... If you need more information, google is your friend):
    • If you're not handy when handling electrical components, ask it to a friend of yours or bring your machine to the Computer Repair Workshop (they won't do it for free, as you know...).
    • If you have a laptop: it could be difficult to open it. See previous point.
    • Unplug the machine from the mains (and remove the battery from the laptop).
    • "Touch bare metal of the case interior before reaching in" (I quoted Digerati, given that his English is better than mine ).
    • "Never, as in NEVER EVER, touch the electrical contacts of the RAM sticks" or every other contacts (I quoted Digerati).
    • You can use brushes, vacuum cleaners, hair dryers, Compressed Air Dusters, to remove the dust (gently and carefully).
    • You shouldn't spin too much the fans: keep them blocked.
    • Check How to Remove & Apply Thermal Paste on CPU - YouTube (click) about thermal paste or thermal compound.
      But be careful: there's the risk to bend the cpu socket pins.
    • Don't open the PSU! Death danger!
      Don't try to open the PSU (power supply unit) to clean it: it could be dangerous given that capacitors , inside it, still hold voltage (aka potential difference, electric tension).
      Thegnomesdidit said (here (click)): "a lot of PSU's i've taken apart in the past few years have a drain resistor wired in parallel to the capacitors that discharges them to safe levels within a few minutes. I would advise however, that whenever you open up any equipment that is mains powered, you assume the capacitors hold a charge".
      Hence, be always very careful with it, if you open it.

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    Re: Atrocious latency problems, is full tabula rasa install of Win10 the only solutio

    Hello, and thanks for the welcome Xilolee. I keep my computer clean, clear and generally in a good running shape. Interior and components are clean, thermal paste is new and I even cleaned the water cooling system's heatsink from dust just recently (when trying the GPUs for my friend). Talking about PSUs, I doubt it matters in my case but just in case somebody is interested, it's Silverstone's 1.2KW Strider Gold Evolution V2.0. Running very fine and according to bios and all software the voltages are dead-rock-steady(tm). I have also removed all the USB devices (harddisks/master keyboard/controller/webcams/etc). Attached is only Logitech's G410 keyboard and Razer's Naga Chroma mouse. (Mouse does load 2 HID devices with generic drivers btw. and if I don't remove them after reboot from the device manager, I get major lag with keyboard.. one more unsolved weirdness, Razer was not too helpful..)

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    Re: Atrocious latency problems, is full tabula rasa install of Win10 the only solutio

    Good!

    Your GPU is Sapphire R9 290X 4G D5 1000 MHz, right?

    Checking amd website:
    AMD Driver​ Radeon Software Crimson Edition ReLive Graphics Driver Installer for Windows 10 64-Bit
    Radeon Desktop Product Family Compatibility​: AMD Radeon™ R9 200 Series Graphics
    Radeon Software 657 MB Crimson ReLive Edition 17.9.3 Optional 10/4/2017 (4th Oct)

    Speccy (&msinfo&dxdiag) shows: 22.19.677.257
    With ReLive Edition 17.9.3, speccy (&msinfo&dxdiag) should show 22.19.677.256 (according to amd).
    Speccy also shows Core Voltage: 1835008.384 V <--- That's 1.84 megavolt

    I found some (10?) Kaspersky drivers running.
    And zone alarm firewall + antivirus.
    Try to remove both (Kaspersky and zone alarm) and use only windows firewall and defender.
    Last edited by xilolee; 10-06-2017 at 01:47 PM.

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    Re: Atrocious latency problems, is full tabula rasa install of Win10 the only solutio

    I just recently updated the latest drivers (I used the clean uninstall utility by AMD) and according to Radeon Software drivers are up to date and drivers show up loading fine in device manager. What comes to core Voltage, I have no idea how (reliably?) Speccy shows the Core voltages for GPU. According to GPU-Z the core voltages are fine and fluctuate (normally) under load, unless I force it using MSI Afterburning or similar. I don't see any over the top high or low readings in GPU-Z. The reference voltage for R9 290X is 1.11V. Both Radeon's own software and GPU-Z show driver versions ending as .677.257

    The GPU type is as you stated indeed. Are you suggesting I should still try to do something about the GPU? The only thing I haven't done (recently) is changing the PCIE bus, which I can do besides (once more) clean uninstalling the drivers. I saw no difference in latency problems comparing the older version and the latest one just published a few days ago by AMD.

    [10ProV1703b15063 x64] Atrocious latency!! Is clean install of W10 the only solution?-gpu-z-png

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    Re: Atrocious latency problems, is full tabula rasa install of Win10 the only solutio

    Read the end of my previous reply, I modified right now (when you were posting your post :-) ).
    About amd, see http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/Radeon-Software-Crimson-ReLive-Edition-17.9.3-Release-Notes.aspx

    Radeon Software Crimson ReLive Edition 17.9.3 Driver Version 17.30.1091.1011 (Windows Driver Store Version 22.19.677.256)
    In my opinion, you should also reinstall Broadcom NetLink (TM) Gigabit Ethernet drivers (after a complete uninstallation of it, obviously).

    I think you already know you should have backups of your important files, a new system restore available and a system image somewhere in a safe place (before the changes).
    Last edited by xilolee; 10-06-2017 at 01:09 PM.

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    Re: Atrocious latency problems, is full tabula rasa install of Win10 the only solutio

    Quote Originally Posted by xilolee View Post
    Hi Widiar.


    To clean the interior of your machine and its components (short list... If you need more information, google is your friend):
    • If you're not handy when handling electrical components, ask it to a friend of yours or bring your machine to the Computer Repair Workshop (they won't do it for free, as you know...).
    • If you have a laptop: it could be difficult to open it. See previous point.
    • Unplug the machine from the mains (and remove the battery from the laptop).
    • "Touch bare metal of the case interior before reaching in" (I quoted Digerati, given that his English is better than mine ).
    • "Never, as in NEVER EVER, touch the electrical contacts of the RAM sticks" or every other contacts (I quoted Digerati).
    • You can use brushes, vacuum cleaners, hair dryers, Compressed Air Dusters, to remove the dust (gently and carefully).
    • You shouldn't spin too much the fans: keep them blocked.
    • Check How to Remove & Apply Thermal Paste on CPU - YouTube (click) about thermal paste or thermal compound.
      But be careful: there's the risk to bend the cpu socket pins.
    • Don't open the PSU! Death danger!
      Don't try to open the PSU (power supply unit) to clean it: it could be dangerous given that capacitors , inside it, still hold voltage (aka potential difference, electric tension).
      Thegnomesdidit said (here (click)): "a lot of PSU's i've taken apart in the past few years have a drain resistor wired in parallel to the capacitors that discharges them to safe levels within a few minutes. I would advise however, that whenever you open up any equipment that is mains powered, you assume the capacitors hold a charge".
      Hence, be always very careful with it, if you open it.
    No, do not use vacuum cleaners on electronics! A vacuum creates static buildup due to the suction. That static buildup will result in ESD damage to sensitive electronics, e.g. RAM. I have seen this firsthand in an engineering studio; a colleague used a vacuum to clean out one of the systems used for inventory data after the system was moved to a new location in the building. The system started blue screening after the move, and Memtest86+ detected bad sectors on the RAM. The system had previously worked fine for years.
    Tekno Venus and axe0 say thanks for this.

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