SSD Setting. Indexing should be turned off. Am I wrong? Nope, don't think so.

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So here's my take on one issue. (fast indexing, but do check your CPU):roll eyes (sarcasti


I turn off fast indexing on all SSD drive's, Vista, W7 and W8 should be turned off, using an SSD.


As it's not needed, and shorten life of SSD, but they will last long anyhow. But do keep it on for hybrid/swinger's and only swinger's, if you are suffering with these useless drives for an OS Host.

Plus I use Condusivs Diskeeper, and its SSD optimizer software. Work great for defragging swinger's and do optimize (Not Drag) SSD drives.
I'm not pedaling this software, as you can use W7's or 8's defrag, this useless program will do for swingers, to your lost.
Any workstation that have it's boot drive a swinger, can sit and wait, as SSD's are the only way to get stuff done, as your host OS drive. End of story. :r1:

SEE TIP Page.

Turn Off Indexing in Windows for Better Performance


Turning off indexing on your hard drives is another very simple way to boost performance in your PC. Before I get into the details of turning off indexing, let’s try to go through the reasons why you would want to disable indexing in the first place and when you should leave it enabled.
There are basically three cases as I see it when it comes to indexing, which makes it really easy to determine whether you should enable or disable indexing:
1. Really fast CPU (i5, i7) + a regular hard drive = keep indexing on
2. Slow CPU + any type of hard drive = don’t index
3. Any type of CPU + SSD hard drive = don’t index
Turn Off Indexing in Windows for Better Performance
 
I am afraid you don't know what you are talking about.

And frankly your biased comments clearly reveals your true being and your comments of "useless program" and "swingers" is insulting. Your point about defragging is pointless and totally unrelated to Indexing, and your advice to disable Indexing is wrong and irresponsible.

I will start by saying W7, W8, and W10 are NOT XP. Do not assume what was needed for XP is needed for a modern OS. It most likely is not.

With a modern OS like W8.x, Indexing steps into the background when the user is actively using the comptuer so performance is not impacted - especially once Indexing of the drive is complete.

Indexing indexes words, not just files. With an indexed SSD, Search looks in the index file for the word, then points to the file(s) in the indexed locations with that word. With indexing disabled, Search must search all the files every time to find the word - a much slower process. Indexing will NOT shorten the life of SSDs and will not degrade performance. So if YOU want to degrade search performance on your SSDs, by all means disable Indexing. But STOP telling others to disable Indexing because that is BAD ADVICE!

As for defragging, again that has nothing to do with Indexing but your comments clearly show you have no clue what you are talking about. Not to mention, they show your egotistical view of yourself through your denigrating those of us who use Windows Disk Optimize (the Windows defragging tool). With today's modern Windows, I see spending $29 for a program nobody needs is pretty darn foolish. And I see recommending users pay for a 3rd party defragger as more irresponsible advice.

As noted in the very thread you linked to, actual defragging is automatically disabled on SSDs so your point there is pointless. As for your use of a 3rd party defragger, that demonstrates your lack of understanding about defragging. You fail to realize that the second, I say again, the second you start to use your computer after defragging, fragmentation starts all over again as files are opened, modified, replaced, updated, created, and saved again. So any small advantage a more efficient 3rd party defragger provides is quickly negated.

You fail to realize that 3rd party defraggers do NOT work with Windows fetch routines that learn your computing habits that then work with the Windows Disk Optimize to optimize your hard drives based on your usage so your favorite programs load faster, especially at boot. The fact is, when you defrag with a 3rd party defragger, you undo the performance enhancements the fetch routines working with Windows Disk Optimize have put in place! Not good!

Years ago with tiny and slow hard drives, and before every program out there, including Windows could be updated over the Internet, stacking all your programs at the front of the disk made sense. But with today's monster size and very fast hard drives, that does not make sense at all. Windows is constantly updating (changing the size of) files. Our security and office-type programs are frequently updated too. With today's fast seeking drives, it does not matter if files are scattered all over the disk, the drive can find the first segment, regardless its location extremely fast. What matters is the files segments are all stored together and with today's huge drives and Windows Disk Optimizer handles that easily and effectively - without spending extra money or consuming extra disk resources.

IF free space is so low it impacts performance and/or consolidating free space impacts performance, that simply means the USER HAS FAILED to provide enough disk space for Windows and the disk controllers to work in. And if that is the case, the LAST thing you need to do is download and install yet another 3rd party application that takes up even more of that precious free space!!!

Microsoft has entire departments of PhDs and software engineers using super computers to analyze over 20 years of experience and statistical data on defraggers, search and indexing programs with millions and millions of Windows systems. Don't think for second you are smarter or more experienced than them when it comes to giving advice, telling everybody they need to change their Windows defaults, or to buy costly 3rd party apps that aren't needed, or worse, actually degrade performance. :shame2:

There was a reason that other thread was closed long ago.
 
I am afraid you don't know what you are talking about.

And frankly your biased comments clearly reveals your true being and your comments of "useless program" and "swingers" is insulting. Your point about defragging is pointless and totally unrelated to Indexing, and your advice to disable Indexing is wrong and irresponsible.

I will start by saying W7, W8, and W10 are NOT XP. Do not assume what was needed for XP is needed for a modern OS. It most likely is not.

With a modern OS like W8.x, Indexing steps into the background when the user is actively using the comptuer so performance is not impacted - especially once Indexing of the drive is complete.

Indexing indexes words, not just files. With an indexed SSD, Search looks in the index file for the word, then points to the file(s) in the indexed locations with that word. With indexing disabled, Search must search all the files every time to find the word - a much slower process. Indexing will NOT shorten the life of SSDs and will not degrade performance. So if YOU want to degrade search performance on your SSDs, by all means disable Indexing. But STOP telling others to disable Indexing because that is BAD ADVICE!

As for defragging, again that has nothing to do with Indexing but your comments clearly show you have no clue what you are talking about. Not to mention, they show your egotistical view of yourself through your denigrating those of us who use Windows Disk Optimize (the Windows defragging tool). With today's modern Windows, I see spending $29 for a program nobody needs is pretty darn foolish. And I see recommending users pay for a 3rd party defragger as more irresponsible advice.

As noted in the very thread you linked to, actual defragging is automatically disabled on SSDs so your point there is pointless. As for your use of a 3rd party defragger, that demonstrates your lack of understanding about defragging. You fail to realize that the second, I say again, the second you start to use your computer after defragging, fragmentation starts all over again as files are opened, modified, replaced, updated, created, and saved again. So any small advantage a more efficient 3rd party defragger provides is quickly negated.

You fail to realize that 3rd party defraggers do NOT work with Windows fetch routines that learn your computing habits that then work with the Windows Disk Optimize to optimize your hard drives based on your usage so your favorite programs load faster, especially at boot. The fact is, when you defrag with a 3rd party defragger, you undo the performance enhancements the fetch routines working with Windows Disk Optimize have put in place! Not good!

Years ago with tiny and slow hard drives, and before every program out there, including Windows could be updated over the Internet, stacking all your programs at the front of the disk made sense. But with today's monster size and very fast hard drives, that does not make sense at all. Windows is constantly updating (changing the size of) files. Our security and office-type programs are frequently updated too. With today's fast seeking drives, it does not matter if files are scattered all over the disk, the drive can find the first segment, regardless its location extremely fast. What matters is the files segments are all stored together and with today's huge drives and Windows Disk Optimizer handles that easily and effectively - without spending extra money or consuming extra disk resources.

IF free space is so low it impacts performance and/or consolidating free space impacts performance, that simply means the USER HAS FAILED to provide enough disk space for Windows and the disk controllers to work in. And if that is the case, the LAST thing you need to do is download and install yet another 3rd party application that takes up even more of that precious free space!!!

Microsoft has entire departments of PhDs and software engineers using super computers to analyze over 20 years of experience and statistical data on defraggers, search and indexing programs with millions and millions of Windows systems. Don't think for second you are smarter or more experienced than them when it comes to giving advice, telling everybody they need to change their Windows defaults, or to buy costly 3rd party apps that aren't needed, or worse, actually degrade performance. :shame2:

There was a reason that other thread was closed long ago.

WOW! Chill.. on the word swingers...:wave:

SSD's should be your boot/program drive. Page drive for say Photoshop/Cad programs. HD (aka: swingers) are not in the same class as SSD's.
Turning off OS Mem Page. Saves disk space if you have 32 plus GB's of ram, if your not utilizing that amount of memory. And its an option with no
effect to performance you can see during use, but can see it on benchmarks for ratings. I was only addressing Disk indexing with an SSD.

Windows Defrag have no pre boot tools, So I keep a 3rd party software defraggers to do this, and over a networks for HD's. As Windows defrag won't do these operations.

Note! This is MHO. Yes, setups of SSD's and HD's are based on hardware in systems. Unless your doing Severs, 3D /CAD Workstations, Extreme Gamers, Graphic etc..
Most PC's/LT's used by consumers/ and your basic office computer are not configured to even take advantage of serious performance. But just installing an SSD in older pc's,
say min. 775 LGA and above, and that you can install 8GB ram min. You will see big performance increases. XP,Vista,W7 all 64bit. And some W8 configurations.

These links are really good imo. Reader BEWARE!

Testing from XP-W8.
The Big Windows 7 Defragmenter Test

The Big Windows 7 Defragmenter Test by Christian Hofmann

Benchmarks

The Big Windows 7 Defragmenter Test - The Benchmarks

And this is all in OCZ's Spec's http://oczforum.com/staff/meander/OCZ_SSD_ABC_Guide.pdf
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