Digerati ModeratorHardware Expert Staff member Joined Aug 28, 2012 Posts 4,181 Location Nebraska, USA Nov 22, 2012 #161 All is good. Apologies accepted. And for my part, I apologize if my manner was taken personally or with offense. None was meant, I assure you. I get somewhat automated when I discuss facts and generally, I pay no attention to who said what. I only focus on what was said. Perhaps being impersonal like that is rude in itself, but having sat in many "peer review" sessions (I was a hardware guy at Northrop Grumman IT for many years) where every tiny bit of your work IS nit-picked apart by your peers, mentors, and managers, you learn to not to take or say anything personal - or let your pride get in the way, and just stick to the facts. You also learn to defend your position with vigor to convince others who are convinced they have the best solution, that you are right - and you do that with supporting evidence, and/or a very sound argument. And BTW - technical discussions are "debates" with points made as "arguments" based on facts. The word "argument", in this sense, does not, and should not imply emotion - it is just a presented position on a talking point. Sitting around a table ripping each other's work apart has one distinct advantage - you can see the body language and hear the "tone" of voice. And while often heated - fist pounding heated - it is much easier to keep it technical and not personal. You can ask for, and get instant clarification too - important to ensure understanding. This is all good, because (1) the ultimate result is the client gets a better product and (2) at the end of the day, we all could go have a beer and a laugh. I miss that in forum discussions. Working in professional electronics repair facilities, in and around lethal voltages (no place for misunderstandings) supporting secure government communications systems professionally for 40+ years, 20 of that as a military NCO, I admit I might "bark" out instructions and rebuttals - and that may seem by some as arrogance, or as an affront, or personal. I assure you, neither is true. Based on the knowledge of many of my colleagues (here in forums and personal life), I have nothing to be arrogant about. I may know a little about this, but they surely know a lot about that. Diversity of knowledge is what makes a company (and support forum) good. Also, since forums are venues for "open discussions" where everyone can participate, I tend to write as though I am speaking to all, and not just to an individual so again, no personal affront is intended. But I admit that may not be be so clear, so I apologize again if I offended anyone. And yes, I do get long-winded at times. I think when my fingers hit the keyboard, they go on automatic too. Happy Thanksgiving to all. I hope everyone has a great day and has a opportunity to eat well with friends and family, and remember those who cannot be with their families.