jcgriff2 Co-Founder / AdminBSOD Instructor/ExpertMicrosoft MVP (Ret.) Staff member Joined Feb 19, 2012 Posts 21,542 Location New Jersey Shore Jan 27, 2023 #1 I remember this program offered by GM, but forgot about it until seeing this YouTube video. Incredible that Tesla began operations within a decade of GM concluding that EVs would never work in the US, which still is not definite yet. Time will tell.
I remember this program offered by GM, but forgot about it until seeing this YouTube video. Incredible that Tesla began operations within a decade of GM concluding that EVs would never work in the US, which still is not definite yet. Time will tell.
Will Senior Administrator Staff member Joined Mar 4, 2012 Posts 7,980 Location %tmp% Jan 29, 2023 #2 I like Cold Fusion videos - he's a good creator.
Gary R Forum Moderator, Security Analyst, Windows Update Analyst Staff member Joined Aug 13, 2021 Posts 3,013 Jan 30, 2023 #3 Interesting video, but the reasons for the Automobile and Oil industries opposing the introduction of EVs are pretty self-evident I think. As for EVs in general, I'd have one tomorrow, if ........ The initial cost for one wasn't so prohibitive The public charging infrastructure was massively better than it is now Cost and range anxiety are still the main two reasons for people not to want to purchase an EV.
Interesting video, but the reasons for the Automobile and Oil industries opposing the introduction of EVs are pretty self-evident I think. As for EVs in general, I'd have one tomorrow, if ........ The initial cost for one wasn't so prohibitive The public charging infrastructure was massively better than it is now Cost and range anxiety are still the main two reasons for people not to want to purchase an EV.
Corday Moderator Staff member Joined Sep 27, 2017 Posts 1,201 Location South Carolina Jan 30, 2023 #4 I've said and continue to say that hydrogen fuel cells are a far better alternative than plug in charging.
I've said and continue to say that hydrogen fuel cells are a far better alternative than plug in charging.
Gary R Forum Moderator, Security Analyst, Windows Update Analyst Staff member Joined Aug 13, 2021 Posts 3,013 Jan 30, 2023 #5 Corday said: I've said and continue to say that hydrogen fuel cells are a far better alternative than plug in charging. Click to expand... Couldn't agree more. Sure there are problems with using Hydrogen, but none that are insurmountable, and I'm sure if half the effort was put into Hydrogen fuelled cars, that have been wasted on trying to make the dead end cul-de-sac of battery powered vehicles a goer, then we'd all be driving around in them now.
Corday said: I've said and continue to say that hydrogen fuel cells are a far better alternative than plug in charging. Click to expand... Couldn't agree more. Sure there are problems with using Hydrogen, but none that are insurmountable, and I'm sure if half the effort was put into Hydrogen fuelled cars, that have been wasted on trying to make the dead end cul-de-sac of battery powered vehicles a goer, then we'd all be driving around in them now.
A Guy Righteous Dude Joined Jun 2, 2012 Posts 1,059 Location Bay Area Peninsula Jan 31, 2023 #6 Alternative fuels as a bridge while they improve batteries and build the infrastructure. Alternative fuels that will work in existing ICE vehicles using sustainable resources and providing farmers with another crop...perhaps subsidized for tobacco farmers to replace tobacco. EV is a promising technology, but the environmental issues with resources needed for current batteries...resources only available in quantity in other countries, is trading one pollution for another. Battery cost and recycling is another issue kicked down the road. There is a hellbent rush for EV that is misguided, even if the intent is good A Guy
Alternative fuels as a bridge while they improve batteries and build the infrastructure. Alternative fuels that will work in existing ICE vehicles using sustainable resources and providing farmers with another crop...perhaps subsidized for tobacco farmers to replace tobacco. EV is a promising technology, but the environmental issues with resources needed for current batteries...resources only available in quantity in other countries, is trading one pollution for another. Battery cost and recycling is another issue kicked down the road. There is a hellbent rush for EV that is misguided, even if the intent is good A Guy
Gary R Forum Moderator, Security Analyst, Windows Update Analyst Staff member Joined Aug 13, 2021 Posts 3,013 Jan 31, 2023 #7 No real sign that batteries are going to improve to any marked extent, and infrastructure (at least in the UK) is so far short of the mark that that's not going to be fit for purpose any time soon. No, until the situation improves massively, I'm certainly not going to be reaching into my pockets to buy an EV any time soon.
No real sign that batteries are going to improve to any marked extent, and infrastructure (at least in the UK) is so far short of the mark that that's not going to be fit for purpose any time soon. No, until the situation improves massively, I'm certainly not going to be reaching into my pockets to buy an EV any time soon.
A Guy Righteous Dude Joined Jun 2, 2012 Posts 1,059 Location Bay Area Peninsula Feb 1, 2023 #8 New battery technolgies improving every day, but still need the lithium, etc. Only when there is money thrown at it will there be impetus. Even with the Infrastructure bill in the US, it's mostly repairing old things falling apart, not adding new production, etc. It is doable, but with government gridlock and 1/2 denying any climate issues really exist... A Guy
New battery technolgies improving every day, but still need the lithium, etc. Only when there is money thrown at it will there be impetus. Even with the Infrastructure bill in the US, it's mostly repairing old things falling apart, not adding new production, etc. It is doable, but with government gridlock and 1/2 denying any climate issues really exist... A Guy
Gary R Forum Moderator, Security Analyst, Windows Update Analyst Staff member Joined Aug 13, 2021 Posts 3,013 Feb 1, 2023 #9 Improving yes, but range of most EVs still does not exceed 300 miles (or not by much anyway), and is unlikely to be much better in the near future. The 300 miles is probably questionable as well, since most quoted milages tend to be from tests run on rolling roads, rather than on real life experiences.
Improving yes, but range of most EVs still does not exceed 300 miles (or not by much anyway), and is unlikely to be much better in the near future. The 300 miles is probably questionable as well, since most quoted milages tend to be from tests run on rolling roads, rather than on real life experiences.
jcgriff2 Co-Founder / AdminBSOD Instructor/ExpertMicrosoft MVP (Ret.) Staff member Joined Feb 19, 2012 Posts 21,542 Location New Jersey Shore Apr 6, 2023 #10 China is experiencing quite a few fires with their EVs -
Corday Moderator Staff member Joined Sep 27, 2017 Posts 1,201 Location South Carolina Apr 6, 2023 #11 Not just a China problem. Here's Tesla data: Tesla Fire: Digital record of Tesla fire incidents
Gary R Forum Moderator, Security Analyst, Windows Update Analyst Staff member Joined Aug 13, 2021 Posts 3,013 Apr 6, 2023 #12 Yes, and it's not as if the danger of EV fires isn't known about elsewhere either ... How much of a fire risk are electric vehicles? | Autocar ... also ... Data reveals extent of electric vehicle fires around the UK | CE Safety Blog Last edited: Apr 6, 2023
Yes, and it's not as if the danger of EV fires isn't known about elsewhere either ... How much of a fire risk are electric vehicles? | Autocar ... also ... Data reveals extent of electric vehicle fires around the UK | CE Safety Blog
jcgriff2 Co-Founder / AdminBSOD Instructor/ExpertMicrosoft MVP (Ret.) Staff member Joined Feb 19, 2012 Posts 21,542 Location New Jersey Shore Apr 29, 2023 #13 [Some/most (??)] Owners of Chevrolet's Bolt EVs claim that dealers are telling (suggesting?) them "DO NOT PARK THIS VEHICLE IN YOUR GARAGE OR WITHIN 50 FEET OF OTHER CARS OR STRUCTURES" due to the possibility of a fire. These EV fires [caused by batteries] are chemical reactions and need no oxygen to burn. A fire department in Northern NJ claimed they ended up using in excess of 200,000 gallons of water and even then... I am sure that these fire issues will be dealt with and ultimately solved. Last edited: Apr 29, 2023
[Some/most (??)] Owners of Chevrolet's Bolt EVs claim that dealers are telling (suggesting?) them "DO NOT PARK THIS VEHICLE IN YOUR GARAGE OR WITHIN 50 FEET OF OTHER CARS OR STRUCTURES" due to the possibility of a fire. These EV fires [caused by batteries] are chemical reactions and need no oxygen to burn. A fire department in Northern NJ claimed they ended up using in excess of 200,000 gallons of water and even then... I am sure that these fire issues will be dealt with and ultimately solved.
Gary R Forum Moderator, Security Analyst, Windows Update Analyst Staff member Joined Aug 13, 2021 Posts 3,013 Apr 29, 2023 #14 Tackling fires in electric vehicles Electric Vehicle - Cold Cut Systems AB Last edited: Apr 29, 2023
Corday Moderator Staff member Joined Sep 27, 2017 Posts 1,201 Location South Carolina May 4, 2023 #15
A Guy Righteous Dude Joined Jun 2, 2012 Posts 1,059 Location Bay Area Peninsula May 5, 2023 #16 A Guy
Maxstar Windows Update Moderator, Security Analyst Staff member Joined Aug 16, 2015 Posts 9,857 Location The Netherlands May 7, 2023 #17 Here in the Netherlands, a new 'sustainable' neighbourhood obtains power through a diesel generator for over a year already.... - The homes cannot be connected to the grid because of faulty cables, so a generator is necessarily to provide power. - In 2022, the homeowners received the keys to their houses, which include heat pumps and solar panels. But these houses need more power at some times and return more power than anticipated at other times.
Here in the Netherlands, a new 'sustainable' neighbourhood obtains power through a diesel generator for over a year already.... - The homes cannot be connected to the grid because of faulty cables, so a generator is necessarily to provide power. - In 2022, the homeowners received the keys to their houses, which include heat pumps and solar panels. But these houses need more power at some times and return more power than anticipated at other times.